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Monday 10 February 2003
Small bizarrenesses in WinXP:
The Movable Type experiment is in abeyance while Factory55 make some server changes that would have necessitated reinstalling the software.
The Git was reading in the Tasmanian Country (a weekly farmers' newspaper) that there are to be drastic cuts in opium production next season. And that Afghanistan is back to producing 75% of the world's opium now that the Taliban have been dealt with...
Most of yesterday was spent hoeing the garden, most of which is fallow. Hot, dry summers like the one we are having are ideal for killing a myriad of weed seeds. The addition of sand to the silt-clay soil has made this job much easier than in the past. There's a price to be paid for the easier tillage. The soil needs more frequent irrigation and doubtless will need more frequent applications of compost. The garden beds are some 1.2m (4ft) wide and were raised some 150mm (6in) or so above the paths between for drainage, necessary while the soil was only silty clay. Now that it's sandy loam, that's far too high and wasteful of irrigation water, so the beds will be raised very little above the paths. While that means bending down further to sow seed and hand-weed, the speed and ease of tillage should more than make up for that.
The Git noted with some amusement that the neighbour across the road purchased a truckload of sand for his garden.
Yesterday, SWMBO declared that we had better be careful with our water now that the tank was half empty. The Git panicked and shambled as quickly as his aching body would allow to check the water level. "How could 1,500 Imperial gallons of water escaped without being noticed?" Much to The Git's relief, the tank is still slightly more than 80% full. SWMBO's explanation was that she "couldn't tell how full the tank was by tapping the side", so she "just guessed."
Thought for the day:
Nature does have manure and she does have roots as well as blossoms, and you can't hate the manure and blame the roots for not being blossoms.
Yes -- Tales from Topographical Oceans
Tuesday 11 February 2003
One of the great advantages of The House of Steel is that it's located close to where the vegetable garden is. That means The Git can enjoy music while he gardens when it's played loudly enough on the stereo in The Great Hall. And that reminded him of the following post on the Biodynamic farming List:
Olof Alexandersson has written a book called "Living Water" about Viktor Schauberger's work which seems to fit well with [Biodynamic] farming techniques. He mentions in there a technique called "clay singing". This is described as a person standing in front of a wooden barrel as large as three to four buckets, singing and stirring the contents with a wooden spoon. He was singing a musical scale rich in tone, ranging from falsetto to double bass while bending over the barrel. He would stir counter-clockwise while going up the scale and clockwise when deepening his tone. The contents consisted of clear water to which he would add bits of loamy soil.
Schaubergerger then describes his understanding of this process from his experiences, "When clay is mixed in cool water with air-evacuated carbonic acid, which is then stirred in the right way a voltage is generated". This charged water was then spread on the fields and when the water had evaporated exceedingly fine crystals covered the ground and contained a negative charge. It was found that during an exceedingly dry time of the year, soil treated in this way remained cool and moist. He states further that by this means, the seed zone between the geo-sphere and the atmosphere remains at a practically constant temperature of +4 degrees Celsius (optimum temperature of mature water). At this temperature the crop structure is at its highest potential, while at the same time fructification is relatively passive. It is noted that crop yields increased by 30%.
The book is written by Olof Alexandersson who describes this effect in his words as: "this layer is a dielectric layer enabling the vegetation to act as a biocondenser. The condenser effect is achieved when the positive and negative charges are separated by a non-conducting (dielectric) layer. The greater the positive charge on one side of the condenser, so the negative charge on the other side will be increased, the two opposite charges tending always to equalize".
Steiner refers to the need for clay and quartz within the soil in order to bring in the etheric and astral forces to the plants and maintain balance. Is there a connection?
The Git has always been uncomfortable with the explanations of how Biodynamic farming works, but nevertheless impressed by the demonstrable fact that it does work. As do other techniques that once were theoretically impossible, such as foliar feeding with such materials as seaweed extract and fish emulsion.
Does music affect things other than the human mind? Many prize-winning vegetable growers are certain that playing appropriate music to their vegetables has a positive effect. The dairies The Git has been in all had music playing, for the benefit of the cows the dairymen assured him. The cows are more tractable when soothed by the right sort of music.
It seems to The Git that there's a spectrum of scepticism -- at one extreme, complete gullibility, and at the other the belief that without a scientific theory, observations made by the unanointed can be dismissed out of hand. Thus it was that meteorites for a long time were a scientific impossibility until the sheer number of observations made the scientific consensus untenable.
We can see an example extreme scientific scepticism in action in this account of Ross and Lempriere's determination of 19th century sea level.
In rejecting the Ross testimony, Pugh et al. are essentially rejecting two items of information given in that narrative, not just one. They reject the notion that the benchmark was stuck at Mean Sea Level (MSL) as stated clearly (and several times) in the narrative, and they reject the method described by Ross, namely the use of previous tide data to arrive at an estimate of MSL.
Pugh et al. base this rejection on two grounds -- the height of water in Lempriere's tide gauge (6ft 1in), as given by both witnesses who read the now-lost "curious little stone" and, the time given by one of them, 4.44 p.m. in Mr. Mason's version [4, 7]. That for them was enough to negate the Ross narrative both as to the height struck and the method by which it was struck, even though Mason reported the stone and the writing on it as being damaged. Instead they believe Lempriere acted alone, and contrary to what Ross said. But the above narrative shows that to be a risky option for Lempriere -- "the Governor, whom I had accompanied on an official visit to the settlement, gave directions to afford Mr. Lempriere every assistance of labourers he required, to have the mark cut deeply in the rock in the exact spot which his tidal observations indicated as the mean level of the ocean." An order from your colonial Governor in the context of the British Empire of Victorian days is not something to be flouted lightly, and definitely not in a convict colony like Port Arthur where the authorities already had suitable accommodation for recalcitrants.
In taking their scenario -- that the benchmark was struck at 6ft 1in, almost at high tide, Pugh et al. further concluded that Lempriere must have used a "hit it and see" approach to striking the benchmark.
From the Inbox:
Hi PG, re your recent comments on the force you are allowed to use to defend oneself. Is not the rule in Australia much as it is here in NZ where the rule is 'reasonable force', or does it vary from state to state? Of course whether or not you have used reasonable force is ultimately decided by a jury, and to be fair in recent cases here juries have tended to rule in favour of people who have shot intruders, burglars etc. On the other hand those people have had to go through the stress and cost of a criminal trial as the police tend to decide in favour of prosecuting if they have any doubt whatsoever.
Regarding Windows XP, as a professional network and desktop support person I have found it to be the best OS from Microsoft ever. Very stable and quick if it has enough RAM. 512 MB is enough. As always, a clean install gives much better results than an upgrade.
Since the comments about force were my friend Tim Gadd's, I will leave that for him to comment if he chooses.
Apropos WinXP, I have only reported what I have discovered. The Git is desktop and network support for a mere five computers, so any remarks he makes are statistically invalid. Nevertheless, regarding stability, WinXP is stable on my machine and Thomas's, though definitely not quicker. FrontPage2k has crashed three times so far, something it never did under Win2k and Call to Power 2 crashed yesterday, again something that never happened under Win2k. The Git only does clean installs -- upgrades suck dead rodents!
Of course The Git's problems with WinXP may not be WinXP's fault. It's possible that this is down to the hardware, or at least firmware. This ASUS K7V motherboard is now aged, if not ancient, in computer terms. The BIOS upgrade installed was created prior to the release of WinXP. The Git has also noticed after a long time spent working with computers that frequently one gets what one expects in the way of stability. He knows people that have experienced zero problems with Win95, or Win98 for example, though his own experiences with Win98 have been awful. Maybe some aspects of computer behaviour and such things as plant growth are responses to human minds.
Thought for the day:
Most of the mistakes in thinking are inadequacies of perception rather than mistakes of logic.
Edward de Bono
Chick Corea -- Music Magic
Wednesday 12 February 2003
From the Inbox:
In response to Gordon's question:
Yes, on both counts. The law does vary from state to state, and it generally does involve the concept of 'reasonable force'.
This is from the NSW parliamentary database, from when their state laws were being reconsidered in 1995:
"Reasonableness in the context of the use of force in self-defence has two key elements: necessity and proportionality. Thus, the occupant would have to believe on reasonable grounds that it was necessary to use force in self-defence and the force used would have to be proportional to the threat posed by the intruder"
As you can see, the last phrase in this paragraph alludes to the concept of proportional force - i.e. some sort of calculation based on the force of the response vs the force of the attack. I imagine that this sort of calculation pertains in situations other than home invasions; I'm not sure.
I certainly don't believe that someone ought to be able to just kill anyone who enters their home without permission, however I would incline towards a position in which, if an invasion and assault occurs, or there is obvious intent to cause harm, the concept of proportional response is abandoned.
In 1995 I entered the downstairs bathroom at my house at Fern Tree during the early hours of the morning, and discovered a large rat in the middle of the room. Since the bathroom opened onto the laundry, and the laundry door opened onto the back yard, I went and opened the back door, and then tried to encourage the rat to leave the house. Unfortunately instead of doing so, it ran straight at me, whereupon I instantly impaled it with the stick I had been trying to goad it outside with. This incident gained me some notoriety among the household, but it really hadn't been my intention to kill anything. The damn thing just ran at my legs, and I nailed it without thinking. In my opinion this is more or less how I would probably respond if I heard a noise in the house, grabbed a weapon, discovered a burglar in the house, invited him to leave, and instead had him come running at me. The concept of proportional response simply would not enter my head. If I were defending a loved one I would take care to make certain that it didn't enter my head, if there were any risk of that happening in the first place.
So I suppose I agree, more or less, with the proposition that the occupant should need to believe that the use of force was necessary (I don't believe that they should need to be correct in this assumption. I'm not sure if that's what the law requires), but I have a problem with the idea that once they have arrived at this conclusion, they should then be required to make some analysis regarding the proportionality of their response. In most cases, if the average person, without combat training, is unexpectedly assaulted by an unknown intruder in their home, they are going to react instinctively. If they're holding a weapon, regardless of what it is, they're probably going to use it with as much force as they can, which is likely to be considerable if they're in the midst of an adrenaline rush. I'm afraid my view is that the onus ought to be on the intruder not to put themselves in this situation in the first place, rather than on the homeowner to behave rationally.
From Bo Leuf:
Try singing for your XP systems. Or playing appropriate music.
MS Windows systems seem to have a particular affinity for what we humans find dissonant and harsh, esp extreme electronic music, and for German discotrance music :)
> Maybe some aspects of computer behaviour and such things as plant growth are responses to human minds.
Not many people listen to Corea these days...
Well, The Git plays very little dissonant music, preferring the likes of Chick Corea. He's not sure, but suspects that he has almost everything he has recorded as a soloist, and some like Miles Davis' In a Silent Way where he was a session musician. He has Paul Wyld to thank for introducing Chick Corea as a soloist...
On sound, there's this intriguing piece from Plasma Material Interaction Group:
Sonoluminescence Overview and Future Applications
The brilliant blue glow in the picture... is one of many examples of sonoluminescence. The scientific-sounding word basically translates to "sound into light." The idea is very simple--a small bubble, surrounded by some liquid, is bombarded with sound. Due to the high energies now in the bubble, it starts to luminesce, or produce light. When researchers first discovered this phenomenon, they called it sonoluminescence.
While sonoluminescence was first discovered in the 1930's, it received little attention until recently. In the past few years, a number of discoveries have been made, opening up even more mysteries. While most people have heard nothing about sonoluminescence, it has great potential in many scientific areas. High on the list for many researchers is its applications to fusion, since it is predicted that as sound bombards a bubble, the temperatures can get so hot as to allow fusion to occur within the bubble. Accordingly, there is some exciting research going on in this new field, and, according to Science, it is "a remarkable laboratory for physics and chemistry."
Scientists are really thrilled about the shock wave theory because generating a plasma within a bubble may indicate fusion. The idea of another method for generating fusion caught the attention of a number of people, and researchers are searching for evidence of fusion in these bubbles. With temperatures as hot as proposed, atoms of the hydrogen isotopes deuterium and tritium could fuse, releasing helium atoms (alpha particles), neutrons, and energy. Since neutrons, unlike the negatively charged alpha particles, are not controlled by electric fields, scientists are trying to detect stray neutrons that may be generated in sonoluminescence. So far, no one has discovered them.
Even if fusion occurs inside a bubble, the amount of energy that will be produced is so minuscule that "`If you covered the earth with these [sonoluminescence] machines, after an hour you'd have enough energy to heat a cup of water a couple of degrees,'" says William Moss, a scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.  Obviously, there will not be enough energy released to power the world, but the idea of a compact fusion system that costs a few hundred dollars is practically amazing. To produce inertial confinement fusion (ICF) in the past (ICF is one type fusion, the type that could possibly occur within the bubble) and future, the government has spent billions of dollars. The National Ignition Facility (NIF), currently being developed, will cost even more billions of dollars. The size of a sonoluminescence device does not even compare to even one of the many lasers that will power NIF, but if it creates ICF, it will accomplish the same task as NIF (to a lesser degree, of course). Besides, if ICF occurs in a bubble, it will be a great, cheap way to study hot fusion. It is important to note that while some people identify sonoluminescence with cold fusion, it has nothing to do with it. ICF, is a type of hot fusion, and hot fusion is the power source for the sun. Hot fusion has also been reproduced in laboratories, while it is doubtful that cold fusion has ever existed, despite the claims of its researchers.
If sonoluminescence cannot be used for generating energy, it certainly has a number of other useful applications. With the ultrafast flashes of light in sonoluminescence, the system could be used as a high speed laser, faster than any of the expensive lasers currently in production. It could also be used to destroy toxic chemicals. With temperatures as high as 100,000 C, toxic chemicals would be broken down in a short amount of time. One area where sound is playing a major role today is sonochemistry, and the temperatures found in sonoluminescence could help to create some exotic materials.
How your heart got where it is: Electricity shapes your body
By William J. Cromie Gazette Staff
One of the biggest mysteries of biology is how humans and other animals get their shapes. For example, why do most people have their heart on the left side? A few humans have it on the right side, and they apparently suffer no ill effects. In fact, some people have all their visceral organs reversed. Their bodies are mirror images of what's considered normal, yet they live long, healthy lives.
Or take handedness. Some 90 percent of people are right-handed, but healthy left-handers live as long and are as creative as right-handers. Lefties have no special sinister diseases, but how do they get to be left-handed?
A team of scientists at Harvard School of Dental Medicine and The Forsyth Institute in Boston believes it has found the answer. And it's electrifying.
The discovery by Levin and his colleagues that electric fields provide a kind of scaffolding for the growth of hearts, stomachs, and other organs will undoubtedly stimulate more research in this area. "Electric signals are not the sole fuel for growth and regeneration of body parts," Levin reminds us. "Chemicals such as growth factors also play a major role. But now that we have a better idea how organs are shaped in the first place, we are closer to replacing a lost hand or growing a new set of kidneys."
And yet another WinXP issue. It tells me that I don't have permission to access the workgroup it's part of. To get files from the server (actually Win2k Pro), I have to go to the server and copy the data from there to a share on my workstation <sigh>. The question arises: "Do I want to reinstall Win2k, or make another attempt with WinXP?"
Thought for the day:
Thoughts, like fleas, jump from man to man, but they don't bite everybody.
Stanislaw J. Lec
Chick Corea -- Crystal Silence
Thursday 13 February 2003
Following on from yesterday's pieces:
Our Conscious Mind Could Be An Electromagnetic Field
Are our thoughts made of the distributed kind of electromagnetic field that permeates space and carries the broadcast signal to the TV or radio. Professor Johnjoe McFadden from the School of Biomedical and Life Sciences at the University of Surrey in the UK believes our conscious mind could be an electromagnetic field.
"The theory solves many previously intractable problems of consciousness and could have profound implications for our concepts of mind, free will, spirituality, the design of artificial intelligence, and even life and death," he said.
Most people consider "mind" to be all the conscious things that we are aware of. But much, if not most, mental activity goes on without awareness. Actions such as walking, changing gear in your car or peddling a bicycle can become as automatic as breathing.
The biggest puzzle in neuroscience is how the brain activity that we're aware of (consciousness) differs from the brain activity driving all of those unconscious actions.
When we see an object, signals from our retina travel along nerves as waves of electrically charged ions. When they reach the nerve terminus, the signal jumps to the next nerve via chemical neurotransmitters. The receiving nerve decides whether or not it will fire, based on the number of firing votes it receives from its upstream nerves.
In this way, electrical signals are processed in our brain before being transmitted to our body. But where, in all this movement of ions and chemicals, is consciousness? Scientists can find no region or structure in the brain that specializes in conscious thinking. Consciousness remains a mystery.
"Consciousness is what makes us 'human,' Professor McFadden said. "Language, creativity, emotions, spirituality, logical deduction, mental arithmetic, our sense of fairness, truth, ethics, are all inconceivable without consciousness." But what’s it made of?
The Git has referred to the work of Robert Persinger before. Here are some bits from a longish piece from Wired:
I'm taking part in a vanguard experiment on the physical sources of spiritual consciousness, the current work-in-progress of Michael Persinger, a neuropsychologist at Canada's Laurentian University in Sudbury, Ontario. His theory is that the sensation described as "having a religious experience" is merely a side effect of our bicameral brain's feverish activities. Simplified considerably, the idea goes like so: When the right hemisphere of the brain, the seat of emotion, is stimulated in the cerebral region presumed to control notions of self, and then the left hemisphere, the seat of language, is called upon to make sense of this nonexistent entity, the mind generates a "sensed presence."
Persinger has tickled the temporal lobes of more than 900 people before me and has concluded, among other things, that different subjects label this ghostly perception with the names that their cultures have trained them to use - Elijah, Jesus, the Virgin Mary, Mohammed, the Sky Spirit. Some subjects have emerged with Freudian interpretations - describing the presence as one's grandfather, for instance - while others, agnostics with more than a passing faith in UFOs, tell something that sounds more like a standard alien-abduction story.
It may seem sacrilegious and presumptuous to reduce God to a few ornery synapses, but modern neuroscience isn't shy about defining our most sacred notions - love, joy, altruism, pity - as nothing more than static from our impressively large cerebrums. Persinger goes one step further. His work practically constitutes a Grand Unified Theory of the Otherworldly: He believes cerebral fritzing is responsible for almost anything one might describe as paranormal - aliens, heavenly apparitions, past-life sensations, near-death experiences, awareness of the soul, you name it.
Oh, I have no doubt. I mean, who among all the churchgoers and alien fiends will let some distant egghead with a souped-up motorcycle helmet spoil their fun? It goes without saying that the human capacity to rationalize around Persinger's theory is far greater than all the replicated studies science could produce. The real tradition Persinger falls into is that of trying to explain away mystical experience. Jaynes thought visitations from God were mere aural detritus from the Stone Age. And just recently, another study suggested that sleep paralysis might account for visions of God and alien abduction.
Who knows? Perhaps mystical visions are in fact nothing more than a bit of squelchy feedback in the temporal lobes. But that's such a preposterously small part of what most people think of when they think of God, it seems insanely grandiose to suggest that anyone has explained away "God." It's almost ironic. Every so often during one of America's little creation-science tempests, some humorless rationalist like Stephen Jay Gould steps forward to say that theology is an inadequate foundation for the study of science. Noted. And vice versa.
But Persinger's ideas are harder to shake off than that. When I return to America, I am greeted by the news that massive intersections of power lines do not, in fact, cause cancer. For years scientists had advanced the power line-cancer connection, based on the results of Robert Liburdy's benchmark 1992 study. But a tip to the federal Office of Research Integrity initiated an investigation of Liburdy's work; it found that his data had been falsified.
Persinger's experiments and resulting theories suggest some new ideas about our waning 20th century, which began with Thomas Edison convincing the world to cocoon itself inside electrically wired shelters, throbbing with pulses of electromagnetic fields. Granted, those fields are quite weak, arguably too tiny to affect our physical bodies in ways Liburdy had suggested. But what about Persinger's notion that such fields may be tinkering with our consciousness?
Is it a coincidence that this century - known as the age of anxiety, a time rife with various hysterias, the era that gave birth to existentialism - is also when we stepped inside an electromagnetic bubble and decided to live there? We have never quite comprehended that we walk about in a sea of mild electromagnetism just as we do air. It is part of our atmosphere, part of the containing bath our consciousness swims in. Now we are altering it, heightening it, condensing it. The bubble is being increasingly shored up with newer, more complicated fields: computers, pagers, cell phones. Every day, entrepreneurs invent more novel ways to seduce us into staying inside this web. The Internet is well named.
For those of you interested in some of the issues of consciousness, my excellent friend Robert Stonjek has a page of essays on the topic based mostly on emails sent to the Consciousness Studies List.
Still now word from my esteemed web hosting service as to when the experiments with Movable Type may begin. For those of us interested in accessibility, it may not be all smooth sailing.
And now The Git's off to his garden to prepare for some sowing and planting of the brassicas over the weekend: cauliflower, broccoli and cabbage. He's also hopeful that he can persuade Thomas to barrow a few loads of cow manure from where the cattle camp under the trees to the garden area for next year. Non-gardeners will not understand the reverence of gardeners for this magical substance.
"I want death to find me planting my cabbages." -- Montaigne, Essays Book I (1880)
Thought for the day:
Things are not always what they seem; the first appearance deceives many; the intelligence of a few perceives what has been carefully hidden...
Van Morrison -- Wavelength
Friday 14 February 2003
A friend wrote in an email: "BTW did you know that the USA spends more on its military than the next 20 countries combined? The USA just doesn't know how to leave a theatre of war -- was still in Kuwait after a decade, still in South Korea after half a century, still in Germany after sixty years." It kind of makes Merkins sound like a disease!
Another long day in the garden. The Git is definitely coming to grips with living with osteo-arthritis. Following his sister Janet's advice, he is taking nutrient supplements: chondroitin and glucosamine. Hopefully, this means eliminating the ibuprofen that potentially causes gastric problems -- not a pleasant thought for someone who adores fine food. Janet says that after thirty days, her own condition improved greatly and she rarely needs analgesia.
Thought for the day:
If you want to be happy for a short time, get drunk; happy for a long time, fall in love; happy forever, take up gardening.
Procul Harum -- Exotic Birds and Fruit
Saturday 15 February 2003
One thing that amuses The Git no end is certainty -- the belief that one knows something beyond any shadow of a doubt. The only thing he is certain of right now is that he is typing these words on his computer keyboard. He believes that earlier in the day, he planted out broccoli, cauliflower, Savoy cabbage, Brussels sprouts and lettuces -- sowed the seeds of parsley, snaebeet, swedes, cauliflowers, spring cabbage, Japanese onions, rocket, broccoli and kale. The planting out can be confirmed by taking a torch out into the garden, but it would take an enormous effort to discover those tiny seeds. Better to have faith that they are there.
Sometimes we can find evidence, as in the case of the plants, or we can await the arrival of the evidence as in the case of the seeds. Stephen Jay Gould once wrote, I forget which book of essays, about when he was a boy, regularly sitting on some steps in Brooklyn with an uncle discussing their mutual passion -- baseball -- after the game. To his surprise, an attempt to locate the steps when he was an adult some decades later was fruitless. The steps were a figment of his imagination. Or New York had been completely rearranged like in Alex Proyas' film, Dark City.
The Git's first inklings of the fragility of what we call reality occurred these many long years ago when reading a report of The Warren Commission into the assassination of John Kennedy. According to two different witnesses, Lee Harvey Oswald was walking on both sides of the street in opposite directions wearing two different sets of clothes he owned at exactly the same time. While the simplest explanation might be that one witness was telling the truth and the other lying, it's not the only explanation.
The Git has an excellent memory. Not eidetic, but close to what that must be like. It's a useful trick when needing to look up a passage of writing once read. He frequently surprises people by recalling mutually experienced events from long ago. On several occasions, he has been surprised when the recollections have substantially differed.
Might it be that there are only different points of view. An alien race observing our planet over the last few hours might have seen my planting out and seed-sowing as something akin to our observations of bees gathering nectar and pollen. Another point of view is that it was just the latest stage in a 3.5 billion year experiment in plant breeding by bacteria.
Funnily enough, this train of thought was triggered by Thomas the Boy Wonder obtaining his dad a copy of King Crimson's album, Beat. He was reminded of an argument with his brother, Jeff, about Daryl Hall and John Oates. Jeff asked: "What do you think of Daryl Hall and John Oates?" The Git evinced the opinion that he found them utterly boring. "But you like King Crimson's Exposure and they sing on that!" Actually, The Git doesn't just like Exposure, it's one of his all-time favourite albums. But that doesn't affect his opinion of the few Daryl Hall and John Oates albums he has heard. They are not King Crimson albums. But that's just my point of view of course, and everyone else is free to differ.
Oh yes, and The Git had recalled this decades ago conversation that so upset Jeff as being about Beat, rather than Exposure. The Git has never understood why someone having a different point of view to one's own should be an excuse for all sorts of strangeness, up to and including bombing the crap out of another country.
Thought for the day:
Hope for the future is at the heart of all gardening.
King Crimson -- Beat
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